Comments on: Needs a title http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/ The weblog of Kevin Teljeur. Somewhere within all the noise, there is a note you need to hear. Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:12:22 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: rny http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 rny Sun, 06 May 2007 22:06:33 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1308 No matter the outcome, of any election, policies are propaganda (panic about stamp duty and M50 upgrades is short term), what makes the impact is the percentage of people who vote, voice themselves and make the difference between 51% and 49% of the numbers voting as compared to 51% of the population (whom can vote) voting. In example 86% of the frenchies population voted in 2007 (Sarkozy). So if we Oirish can do that, that'll say alot about us and who takes the reins, and if a parties policies were propoganda - we can voice ourselves in the next election. There is no "system", unless you're already at the top of the human pile with your hand on the bread.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1308','rny'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1308','rny','No matter the outcome, of any election, policies are propaganda (panic about stamp duty and M50 upgrades is short term), what makes the impact is the percentage of people who vote, voice themselves and make the difference between 51% and 49% of the numbers voting as compared to 51% of the population (whom can vote) voting. In example 86% of the frenchies population voted in 2007 (Sarkozy). So if we Oirish can do that, that\'ll say alot about us and who takes the reins, and if a parties policies were propoganda - we can voice ourselves in the next election.\r\n\r\nThere is no \"system\", unless you\'re already at the top of the human pile with your hand on the bread.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> No matter the outcome, of any election, policies are propaganda (panic about stamp duty and M50 upgrades is short term), what makes the impact is the percentage of people who vote, voice themselves and make the difference between 51% and 49% of the numbers voting as compared to 51% of the population (whom can vote) voting. In example 86% of the frenchies population voted in 2007 (Sarkozy). So if we Oirish can do that, that’ll say alot about us and who takes the reins, and if a parties policies were propoganda – we can voice ourselves in the next election.

There is no “system”, unless you’re already at the top of the human pile with your hand on the bread.

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]]> By: kevintel http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1290 kevintel Tue, 01 May 2007 10:52:42 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1290 Yeah, I'll post again as soon as possible about why I think this is a big deal. I think there's some unease in this country about where things are going to go in the next five years. I think today is the last day for registering to vote - you can do it by fax. Maybe I better call you about that. There's a site where you can check this out too.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1290','kevintel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1290','kevintel','Yeah, I\'ll post again as soon as possible about why I think this is a big deal. I think there\'s some unease in this country about where things are going to go in the next five years.\r\n\r\nI think today is the last day for registering to vote - you can do it by fax. Maybe I better call you about that. There\'s a site where you can check this out too.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Yeah, I’ll post again as soon as possible about why I think this is a big deal. I think there’s some unease in this country about where things are going to go in the next five years.

I think today is the last day for registering to vote – you can do it by fax. Maybe I better call you about that. There’s a site where you can check this out too.

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]]> By: kevintel http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1289 kevintel Tue, 01 May 2007 10:42:50 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1289 That's a very good question Tadhg, and I'm very glad you asked me that. A lot of other young people just like yourself have been taking an interest in the issues of the day, and asking themselves what do we really want? Do we want the same messages, the same stale ideas, or do want change, a new direction, a way forward out of the mess that we find ourselves in today? What we need is the courage to take a bold step into the future where we can all work together to improve our lives, and live in harmony. A vote for us, Tadhg, is a vote for your future and the future of your children - one with lower taxes, better healthcare, free from crime, no stamp duty free chocolate and what's more, we'll send all those criminal elements, those illegal immigrants who have no place here, back to where they came from. In our vision of a better future, everyone who does not belong, the 'Others', will wear a badge of some sort, and we will encourage them to live in designated areas, where they will be safer, and can learn about our culture in peace and safety. Our System will prevail!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1289','kevintel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1289','kevintel','That\'s a very good question Tadhg, and I\'m very glad you asked me that. A lot of other young people just like yourself have been taking an interest in the issues of the day, and asking themselves what do we really want? Do we want the same messages, the same stale ideas, or do want change, a new direction, a way forward out of the mess that we find ourselves in today? What we need is the courage to take a bold step into the future where we can all work together to improve our lives, and live in harmony. A vote for us, Tadhg, is a vote for your future and the future of your children - one with lower taxes, better healthcare, free from crime, no stamp duty free chocolate and what\'s more, we\'ll send all those criminal elements, those illegal immigrants who have no place here, back to where they came from.\r\n\r\nIn our vision of a better future, everyone who does not belong, the \'Others\', will wear a badge of some sort, and we will encourage them to live in designated areas, where they will be safer, and can learn about our culture in peace and safety. Our System will prevail!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> That’s a very good question Tadhg, and I’m very glad you asked me that. A lot of other young people just like yourself have been taking an interest in the issues of the day, and asking themselves what do we really want? Do we want the same messages, the same stale ideas, or do want change, a new direction, a way forward out of the mess that we find ourselves in today? What we need is the courage to take a bold step into the future where we can all work together to improve our lives, and live in harmony. A vote for us, Tadhg, is a vote for your future and the future of your children – one with lower taxes, better healthcare, free from crime, no stamp duty free chocolate and what’s more, we’ll send all those criminal elements, those illegal immigrants who have no place here, back to where they came from.

In our vision of a better future, everyone who does not belong, the ‘Others’, will wear a badge of some sort, and we will encourage them to live in designated areas, where they will be safer, and can learn about our culture in peace and safety. Our System will prevail!

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]]> By: Tadhg http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1287 Tadhg Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:26:46 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1287 Hey, glad to see a post here after so long... so why do you think this election is particularly important? Do you think there's any chance that it won't be FF in charge again after it? Looks like I'll be around for the election itself, although I'll have to look into whether or not I get to vote...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1287','Tadhg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1287','Tadhg','Hey, glad to see a post here after so long... so why do you think this election is particularly important? Do you think there\'s any chance that it won\'t be FF in charge again after it?\r\n\r\nLooks like I\'ll be around for the election itself, although I\'ll have to look into whether or not I get to vote...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hey, glad to see a post here after so long… so why do you think this election is particularly important? Do you think there’s any chance that it won’t be FF in charge again after it?

Looks like I’ll be around for the election itself, although I’ll have to look into whether or not I get to vote…

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]]> By: Darren http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1285 Darren Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:58:16 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1285 The important thing is we know the system works. If not all that well...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1285','Darren'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1285','Darren','The important thing is we know the system works. If not all that well...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The important thing is we know the system works. If not all that well…
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]]> By: kevintel http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1282 kevintel Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:14:24 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1282 Well, it's not as scientific as the comment by Weight Loss, which as you can see is backed up by hard science and incontrovertible fact. Mocking it would be more fun if it wasn't a soulless automated spam-bot :-( More seriously, the representatives of the 51% are making decisions on behalf of the .2% (scientifically arrived at), rather than the other way round.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1282','kevintel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1282','kevintel','Well, it\'s not as scientific as the comment by Weight Loss, which as you can see is backed up by hard science and incontrovertible fact.\r\n\r\nMocking it would be more fun if it wasn\'t a soulless automated spam-bot :-(\r\n\r\nMore seriously, the representatives of the 51% are making decisions on behalf of the .2% (scientifically arrived at), rather than the other way round.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Well, it’s not as scientific as the comment by Weight Loss, which as you can see is backed up by hard science and incontrovertible fact.

Mocking it would be more fun if it wasn’t a soulless automated spam-bot :-(

More seriously, the representatives of the 51% are making decisions on behalf of the .2% (scientifically arrived at), rather than the other way round.

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]]> By: Weight Loss http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1279 Weight Loss Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:42:04 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1279 Hoodia effortlessly reduce their caloric intake by 7000 calories each week. This translates to an average weight loss of 2 lbs per week. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1279','Weight Loss'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1279','Weight Loss','Hoodia effortlessly reduce their caloric intake by 7000 calories each week. This translates to an average weight loss of 2 lbs per week. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hoodia effortlessly reduce their caloric intake by 7000 calories each week. This translates to an average weight loss of 2 lbs per week.
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]]> By: sean http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1281 sean Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:34:27 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1281 I suppose you're faced with the problem of just who makes the decisions on behalf of the 51 percent. Probably around .2% of the population that have organsied themselves into various lobby groups :-). That .2% is a very scientific figure, by the way ;-)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1281','sean'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1281','sean','I suppose you\'re faced with the problem of just who makes the decisions on behalf of the 51 percent. Probably around .2% of the population that have organsied themselves into various lobby groups :-).\r\n\r\nThat .2% is a very scientific figure, by the way ;-)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I suppose you’re faced with the problem of just who makes the decisions on behalf of the 51 percent. Probably around .2% of the population that have organsied themselves into various lobby groups :-) .

That .2% is a very scientific figure, by the way ;-)

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]]> By: kevintel http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1278 kevintel Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:04:45 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1278 That's an interesting quote Darren, but as I say the situation here is more complicated thanks to proportional representation and combined Parliamentary majorities - so that a small party such as the Progressive Democrats can decide healthcare and justice issues despite having relatively very low overall support (I know that you know this already, this is for the benefit of anyone who is unclear on how this works in Ireland). To put it another way, forty-seven percent of the people want to take the rights of the other forty-nine percent, so they need the remaining four percent to do it. In return, the four percent get to have whatever it is they ask for in order to get them to join up. Somehow that seems to me to be every bit as lacking in democratic spirit as the fifty-one/forty-nine model.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1278','kevintel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1278','kevintel','That\'s an interesting quote Darren, but as I say the situation here is more complicated thanks to proportional representation and combined Parliamentary majorities - so that a small party such as the Progressive Democrats can decide healthcare and justice issues despite having relatively very low overall support (I know that you know this already, this is for the benefit of anyone who is unclear on how this works in Ireland).\r\n\r\nTo put it another way, forty-seven percent of the people want to take the rights of the other forty-nine percent, so they need the remaining four percent to do it. In return, the four percent get to have whatever it is they ask for in order to get them to join up.\r\n\r\nSomehow that seems to me to be every bit as lacking in democratic spirit as the fifty-one\/forty-nine model.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> That’s an interesting quote Darren, but as I say the situation here is more complicated thanks to proportional representation and combined Parliamentary majorities – so that a small party such as the Progressive Democrats can decide healthcare and justice issues despite having relatively very low overall support (I know that you know this already, this is for the benefit of anyone who is unclear on how this works in Ireland).

To put it another way, forty-seven percent of the people want to take the rights of the other forty-nine percent, so they need the remaining four percent to do it. In return, the four percent get to have whatever it is they ask for in order to get them to join up.

Somehow that seems to me to be every bit as lacking in democratic spirit as the fifty-one/forty-nine model.

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]]> By: Darren http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/2007/04/27/119/comment-page-1/#comment-1277 Darren Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:28:04 +0000 http://www.andcurve.com/wordpress/?p=119#comment-1277 Thomas Jefferson - "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1277','Darren'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1277','Darren','Thomas Jefferson - \"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.\"'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thomas Jefferson – “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
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